Friday, January 14, 2011

Sexual abuse and raping of British Girls by Muslim Men.


How long Non Muslims esp. politicians and media will deny the reluctance on part of Islamic world and Muslims to live on equal terms? This continual denial of Islam’s desire to dominate every other will extract a heavy price. It appears that no crime committed by UK Muslim men is sufficiently heinous to wake British up from their slumber to comprehend existential threat their civilization faces from Islamic fascism. It even seems their (British) institutions have colluded to conceal a crime wave of massive proportion, rooted in Islamic imperialism and attitude towards Non Muslims, from ordinary citizens.

Islam is all about humiliating infidels; after all to feel superior, as Koran tells Muslims they are superior, one has to humiliate and abuse others. In Islamic theology, if a kafir is not to be killed then he should suffer the humiliation; that is what Sharia law does.

One of many ways of Muslims humiliating infidels is by sexually abusing and raping infidel women (Hindu women in Bangladesh or here). Enslaving and raping infidel women is an age old cherished practice of Islam and Muslims; Islam's Prophet himself raped infidel women after taking them as prisoners.

In present day world, there is no need of war as infidels have concepts like liberalism and multiculturalism. With political correctness giving cover to Islamic arrogance, Muslims demand that to avoid afflicting Muslim men with desires, attractions and passions women need to wear veils; Or else, it is not the fault of Muslim men if they rape kafir women; we have seen Islamic clerics openly declaring that it is the fault of kafir women for not wearing veil ( herehere, here and here).

When Jack Straw, former secretary, while responding to exploitation (rape and sexual abuse) of British white girls by Pakistani men, expressed ‘serious concerns’ about behavior within British Pakistani community, it elicited usual responses from Muslims and others with charges like stereotyping entire community, inflammatory and pretty dangerous but not one honest review or condemnation of behavior of Muslims.

I did cover this episode of sexual abuse by Muslim men in Britain. But I feel that it did not give true picture of magnitude of this endemic for I mentioned just one city while this kind of Islamic predatory sexual attitude towards Non Muslim women was prevalent in most of Northern England.

To understand the extent of this sexual abuse of white women, it is better to read available news from all three cities i.e. Yorkshire, Manchester and Derby. The way this news was reported hardly helps in understanding true magnitude of problem for, these reports neither mention place nor period nor identity of criminals properly and it is easy to get confused. Precisely for this reason, the news reports are arranged city wise in below presentation.

Case 1: Manchester.(Sources: here and here and here; Date: 04/08/2010)
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Here, the victim is a 14 year old girl who was having troubles with her parents who adopted her when she was baby.

She was praised for giving testimony in a court; Superintendent Paul Savill of Greater Manchester Police commended her bravery and said: 'this young girl has been through an absolutely horrifying ordeal.’  'The level of abuse she has suffered is almost beyond belief. She has been treated like a commodity - beaten, threatened and sexually exploited.'

Nine men ages 25 to 33 – Asad Hassan, Mohammed Basharat, Mohammed Khan, Ahmed Noorzai, Mohammed Anwar Safi, Aftab Khan, Abid Khaliq, Mohammed Atif and Najibullah Safi — were convicted in this case.

Now aged 17, she said, “These people exploit young girls. They feed them drugs and alcohol and tell them they love them. I know because it happened to me and it has changed my life enormously.”
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At this point, nothing much was said about the extent of problem. Despite the fact that all convicts are Muslims, every one was talking in terms of race like mentioning criminals as Asian gang.

Case 2: Yorkshire (Sources: here and here , Date: 04/11/2010)
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Five British-born Pakistanis have been jailed for abusing white girls as young as 12.
The 'sexual predators' preyed on their victims over several months and threatened them with violence if they refused their advances.
One of the men branded his victim a "white bitch" when she resisted, while a second smirked, "I've used you and abused you." 
The men attacked the four girls in play areas, parks and in the back of their cars, Sheffield Crown Court heard. They gave them gifts and introduced them to their friends. The girls were abused so frequently that after many months it "became a way of life".
The girls, who were being monitored by social services, were eventually rescued by police and removed from their homes amid growing concerns for their safety.
Two of the men wept in the dock as they were jailed.....
The five, Umar Razaq, 24, Razwan Razaq, 30, Zafran Ramzan, 21, Adil Hussain, 20, and Mohsin Khan, 21, were found guilty of a string of sexually related offences against the girls, one aged 12, two aged 13 and one aged 16. 
Ramzan was found guilty of raping the 16-year-old girl in her own home, and the other four were found guilty of sexual activity with a child.
Umar Razaq was jailed for four and a half years, while the judge gave Razwan Razaq 11 years.
Ramzan was jailed for nine years, and Hussain and Khan both received four years. All five were placed on the sex offenders' register. Three further men were cleared.
The attacks took place in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, during 2008, the court was told. Khan, a mortgage adviser who owned a BMW, described his victim as a 'little stick' who looked as if she had not reached puberty.
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The fact that I am using report from a Indian News paper suggests the nature of reporting of British news papers. This does not glorify Times of India as it has not reported such incidents committed by Indian Muslims in West Bengal; in fact no Indian Media entity did. May be they think that Indian Muslims are different like they have different Koran and a different Prophet.

Case 3: Derbyshire (Sources: here )
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This is how dailymail journalist reports:
An Asian gang of 'sexual predators' cruised city streets for girls as young as 12 - usually white - who were then plied with drink and drugs and raped or abused.
Up to 100 ‘vulnerable’ girls may have been groomed, abused or supplied cocaine by married fathers Abid ­Saddique and Mohammed Liaqat, and their friends.
A court heard the pair used Liaqat’s BMW saloon to trawl for victims, pulling up alongside girls outside shops or schools and chatting them up before a ‘campaign of calls and texts’ to groom them.
Saddique, 27, and Liaqat, 28, plied the ­victims - most from broken homes - with vodka and cocaine before taking them to ‘parties’ in hotels or flats with other gang members to rape or degrade them.....
Seven other guilty members of the gang have already been jailed.
One of 26 alleged victims concerned in the gang’s trials was a 14-year-old straight-A student from a middle-class home........Detective Inspector Sean Dawson said that although all of the victims were white except for three mixed-race girls and two Asians, the men were ‘out for whatever sex they could get’ and did not care what race their victims were. The oldest victim was 18 but most were aged between 14 and 16.....The inquiry, called Operation Retriever, is the biggest child sex investigation ever conducted by Derbyshire Police. A total of 75 charges were brought against 13 suspects - all of Derby. Four were cleared.......................
One victim, who was raped in a car after being driven to a country lane by Liaqat and a second man, told how she was targeted aged 16 after telling the men she came from a broken home.
She said: ‘They would take you out, buy you ice creams and take you out for a lovely nice meal. And there’s part of you that thinks it’s really exciting and there’s part of you that thinks, “I have met this lovely nice man and he’s taking me out for a really nice meal”.
‘And there’s part of you that looks at these men as a father ­figure, as weird as it sounds, because you feel like they’re going to keep you safe and they then abuse every part of that.
She added: ‘They actually take advantage of the fact that no one does care about you really. They make you feel as if they’re on your side and that you are in a real relationship and they just abuse any feelings of love and caring about people. I think they’re evil. I just cannot understand what has made them so evil.
One can read the full report from the link given above. So there are more than hundred victims and 9 criminals. Despite the fact that except for 3 all victims are of British origin, yet police officer says that victims are from all races as if this is a race problem. And again except for 2 out 9 all the convicts are of Muslims and Pakistani origin. Still, media uses the word Asian to identify and describe criminals.
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In all above three cases, out of 23 convicts 21 were Muslims but media at the best referred to these people as Asians. Even cultural issue of attitude is sidelined completely as a reporter says (here):
And then there is a controversial, but relevant, cultural issue. Asian men of Pakistani heritage often believe white girls have low morals compared with Muslim girls. ‘They wear what they call “slags” clothing, showing much of their bodies and “deserve what they get”,’ an Asian social worker in the north of England has told me.
In fact much larger picture appears and daily mail reports (here). This same report equally condemns many institutions for concealing the crime and allowing the girls to be exploited thus, strengthening the axiom that sentiments of Muslims are more important than lives of children and young girls:
Police and social services have been accused of fuelling a culture of silence which has allowed hundreds of young white girls to be exploited by Asian men for sex.
Agencies have identified a long-term pattern of offending by gangs of men, predominantly from the British Pakistani community, who have befriended and abused hundreds of vulnerable girls aged 11 to 16.....
But researchers identified 17 court prosecutions since 1997, 14 of them in the past three years, involving the on-street grooming of girls aged 11 to 16 by groups of men. 
The victims came from 13 towns and cities and in each case two or more men were convicted of offences.
In total, 56 people, with an average age of 28, were found guilty of crimes including rape, child abduction, indecent assault and sex with a child. 
Three of the 56 were white, 53 were Asian. Of those, 50 were Muslim and a majority were members of the British Pakistani community. 
Those convicted allegedly represent only a small proportion of what one detective called a ‘tidal wave’ of offending in Yorkshire, Lancashire, Greater Manchester and the Midlands.
50 of 56 criminals are Muslims and yet no one is calling spade a spade. Interestingly Hindus and Sikhs have reported about this kind of incidents (here):
A day after UKs' former home secretary Jack Straw blamed some Pakistani Muslim men for targeting "vulnerable" White girls sexually, UK's Hindu and Sikh organizations also publicly accused Muslim groups of the same offence.
Interestingly, way back in 2003, a British member of  Parliament, has warned on this (here):
Ann Cryer, a former Labour MP for Keighley, she had been made aware of a problem in her constituency in 2003 after she was approached by about six mothers who said their daughters were being groomed for sex by Pakistani men.
She said she tried to intercede with the community by asking a councillor to speak to Muslim elders, but they said it was not their affair.
"Instead of drawing it to a conclusion then, it's drifted on, so it seems now every year we're getting more cases of very young, sometimes 12-year-old girls being abused by these gangs of men. I wish it would stop, I wish it would go away," she said.
When she can not identify the problem properly as she identifies the culprits as Asian which is a slur on Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and Chinese, her wish remains as a wish. So finally it is only an islamaphobe, Melaine Philips, like me who tells the actual problem in dailymail:
Actually, there is more than a grain of truth in that particular criticism. For this is certainly not a racial issue. Indeed, one of the many red herrings in this debate is that - if cultural characteristics are discussed at all - the gangs tend to be described as ‘Asian’.
But this is to besmirch Sikhs, Hindus, ­Chinese and other Asians. For these ­particular gang members are overwhelmingly Muslim men. And the common ­characteristic is not ethnicity, but religion.
For these gang members select their victims from communities which they believe to be ‘unbelievers’ — non-Muslims whom they view with disdain and hostility.
You can see that this is not a racial but a religious animosity from the fact that, while the vast majority of the girls who are targeted are white, the victims include Sikhs and Hindus, too.
Back in 2007, The Hindu Forum Of Britain claimed that hundreds of 
Hindu and Sikh girls had been intimidated by Muslim men who took them on 
dates before terrorising them until they converted.
And the Sikh Media Monitoring group described ‘the deliberate and targeted sexual degradation of Sikh women purely because of their religion’ and how a minority of young Muslim men boasted about ‘seducing the Kaffir (unbeliever) women’. 
Nevertheless, there is a particular problem with white girls. They are targeted because the men involved in these offences do not regard Muslim girls in the same way as sexual objects to be shared by all. 
One Muslim man was reported as saying that white girls are targeted by such men because ‘if they did it to a Muslim girl, they’d be shot’. 
White girls also tend to be seen as sluts. Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, a national Muslim youth organisation, says: ‘These people think that white girls have fewer morals and are less valuable than our girls.’
Those who have read Islamic doctrines understand that it is Islamic teachings that has made these 'monster' Muslims to act in the way they did. Because a kafir is nothing for these Muslims. When Koran says Muslims killing infidels is a lesser crime compared to that of infidels disbelief in Islam, sexual abuse and rape are nothing for these psychos. Even empirical figures from real world suggest that Islam's attitude towards Non Muslims will only be hostile and is of hatred and it remains like this.

Note: Latest on victims of these sexual attacks: I was kept prisoner by the Asian sex gang predator: Victim tells harrowing story of 'boyfriend' who dubbed his car the 'Rape Rover'.

53 comments:

Anonymous said...

The post pointed out towards a major sin/crime/uncivilized/ inhuman act i.e. Rape. The impact of rape is quite devastating. Rape is a violent crime which has many severe effects on the victim both in the long term and in the short term. Alarming statistics show that the frequency of rape, as well as other crimes, is on the rise almost at a global level especially in western society and many factors are responsible.
Criminals fallow no religion. They fallow their desires and evil path so one cannot blame Islam by judging actions of any criminal or suspect. If you want to judge a religion then go for its authentic scriptures and best followers otherwise it’s just like judging a religion by looking at black sheep of the community.
The article bought forth is debatable but remember in the end it’s not only about exploring but also about creating oneself as” life is not only about exploring its about creating oneself”. So read my reply observe facts and feel the truth and get to real solution of problem rather than just playing blame game and deviating from real issue that is increasing rate of a crime / sin …i.e. “Rape".

Anonymous said...

Black sheep in every community:
There are some Muslims who are dishonest, unreliable, who cheat, etc. but the media projects this as though only Muslims are involved in such activities. There are black sheep in every community. There are number of examples of rapist from different religions even people who do not believe in religion, different cast, sects, regions etc. just 2 examples m quoting here:
1. The story, which has received lurid coverage in many of New York's tabloid dailies, stems from an incident on February, 25, 1999. According to prosecutors, Prasad (Hindu) used his authority as a priest to initiate a sexual encounter with the young woman, whose mother had sent her to him for spiritual guidance.
2. The Pope played a leading role in a systematic cover-up of child sex abuse by Roman Catholic priests, according to a shocking documentary to be screened by the BBC tonight. (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23369148-pope-led-cover-up-of-child-abuse-by-priests.do)
So it’s foolish to pick these black sheep of community and judge their religion by their actions.
Muslims best as a whole:
Inspite of all the black sheep in the Muslim community, Muslims taken on the whole, yet form the best community in the world. We are the biggest community of tee-totallers as a whole, i.e. those who don’t imbibe alcohol. Collectively, we are a community which gives the maximum charity in the world Saudi Arabia having Major Muslim population has lowest rate of Rape.
Muslims Saved Jews From Rape and Death During World War Two according to CNN report.
Examine Islam as a creed and a way of life, in addition to the social system it provides. Propagators of Islam claim that such a system certainly leads to protection from all social harms, crimes and deviancies, or at least a significant decrease in the margin of social problems. Not only Muslim believers, but also some Western thinkers support the aforementioned contention. The British philosopher George Bernard Shaw said:
"It (Islam) is also the only religion which is in harmony with all the various stages of life. I view that Muhammad should be named the rescuer of humanity. If a man like Muhammad ruled the world, he would solve its problems… that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness."
If u analyze rate of rape in different countries you will find that places with majority Muslim population has lower rate of rapes as compared to other countries having major population belonging to other religions.
Apart from this there are numbers of respectable and famous Muslims also living in UK, why don’t people talk about them and discuss their work? And names of some notable English Muslims u can easily search.

Anonymous said...

Rate of rape in UK:
The number of rape convictions in Wales has risen to a four-year high, according to figures revealed to the BBC (8 September 2010 Last updated at 05:34 GMT). The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in Wales said convictions had risen from 46.6% in 2006-7, to 59.3% in 2009-10. However, Wales' police forces recorded 1,586 unsolved or "undetected" rapes out of 2,983 reported in the same period. Between 2006 and 2010, the CPS pursued 796 rape cases, with 57% resulting in conviction, according to the figures issued under the Freedom of Information Act.
Roughly 230 people are raped each day in England and Wales. (Rape: A complex crime UK time, Wednesday, 9 July 2008)
The US-based Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life has published estimates of the Muslim population of each country in Western Europe in 2010.
Pew’s UK figure for 2010 is 2,869,000, which is equivalent to 4.6% of the population. In absolute terms, according to Pew, the UK has the third largest Muslim community in Europe, after Germany (4,119,000) and France (3,574,000).
Muslims lets be very clear are not the only people who commit sexual offences and overwhelmingly the sex offender wings of prisons are full of white sex offenders. Percentage of Muslims who commit sexual offence is less in general in UK.
Islam talks about justice and if any suspect is proven guilty of sexual abuse than that person has to be punished according to rule regardless of his religion so we Muslims support Islamic punishment for rapists if he a Muslim and not only this we also condemn other acts of rape by Non Muslims and we talk about punishing and speaking against those White sex Offenders also in prison of Uk. We talk abut equality and justice for victim. As ALLAH in Glorious Quran says:
Quran 5:8 (Asad) O YOU who have attained to faith! Be ever steadfast in your devotion to God, bearing witness to the truth in all equity; and never let hatred of any-one lead you into the sin of deviating from justice. Be just: this is closest to being God-conscious. And remain conscious of God: verily, God is aware of all that you do.

Anonymous said...

Don’t judge a car by its driver:
If you want to judge how good is the latest model of the "Mercedes" car and a person who does not know how to drive sits at the steering wheel and bangs up the car, who will you blame? The car or the driver? But naturally, the driver. To analyze how good the car is, a person should not look at the driver but see the ability and features of the car. How fast is it, what is its average fuel consumption, what are the safety measures, etc. Even if I agree for the sake of argument that the Muslims are bad, we can’t judge Islam by its followers? If you want to judge how good Islam is then judge it according to its authentic sources, i.e. the Glorious Qur’an and the Sahih Hadith.
Judge Islam by its best follower i.e. Prophet Mohammed (pbuh):
If you practically want to check how good a car is put an expert driver behind the steering wheel. Similarly the best and the most exemplary follower of Islam by whom you can check how good Islam is, is the last and final messenger of God, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Besides Muslims, there are several honest and unbiased non-Muslim historians who have acclaimed that prophet Muhammad was the best human being. According to Michael H. Hart who wrote the book, ‘The Hundred Most Influential Men in History’, the topmost position, i.e. the number one position goes to the beloved prophet of Islam, Muhammad (pbuh). There are several such examples of non-Muslims paying great tributes to the prophet, like Thomas Carlyle, La-Martine, etc.

. Major difference between Islam and most other religions

All religions basically exhort mankind to be righteous and eschew evil. But Islam goes beyond that. It guides us towards practical ways of achieving righteousness and eliminating evil from our individual and collective lives. Islam takes into account human nature and the complexities of human society. Islam is guidance from the Creator Himself. Therefore, Islam is also called the Deen-ul-Fitrah (the natural religion of Man).
3. Example: Islam prohibits the molestation and rape of women. It enjoins hijaab and prescribes capital punishment for a convicted rapist.

Anonymous said...

1. Islam prescribes method of eliminating molestation and rape

All the major religions declare the molestation and rape of women as grave sins. Islam teaches the same. What then is the difference between Islam and the other religions? The difference lies in the fact that Islam does not merely preach respect for women, or abhor molestation and rape as serious crimes, but also gives clear guidance as to how society can eliminate such crimes. And science and studies also can also prove that this method of Hijab is very potential. People of knowledge or those in field of psychology, neurosciences and brain control can better understand its importance.

2. Hijaab for men

Islam has a system of hijaab. The Glorious Qur’an first mentions hijaab for the men and then for the women. Hijaab for the men is mentioned in the following verse:

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do." [Al-Qur’an 24:30]

The moment a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze.

3. Hijaab for women

Hijaab for women is mentioned in the following verse:

"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons...." [Al-Qur’an 24:31]

The extent of hijaab for a woman is that her complete body should be covered. The only part that can be seen, are the face and the hands up to the wrists. If they wish to cover, they can even cover these parts of the body. However some Islamic scholars insist that even the face should be covered.

4. Hijaab prevents molestation

The reason why Allah has prescribed Hijaab for the women is given in the Qur’an in the folowing verse of Surah Al-Ahzab:

"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women,that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, most Merciful." [Al-Qur’an 33:59]

The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women this would prevent them from being molested.

5. Example of twin sisters

Suppose two sisters who are twins and who are equally beautiful, walk down a street. One of them is wearing the Islamic Hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered except for the face and the hands up to the wrists, and the other twin is wearing a mini skirt or shorts. Around the corner there is a hooligan who is waiting for an opportunity to tease a girl. Who will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the mini skirt or shorts? Dresses that expose more than they conceal, are an indirect temptation to the opposite sex for teasing, molestation and rape. The Qur’an rightly says that the hijaab prevents women from being molested.

Anonymous said...

6. Capital punishment for rapist

The Islamic shariah prescribes capital punishment for a convicted rapist. The non-Muslim may be horrified at such a stringent punishment in this age. Many accuse Islam of being ruthless and barbaric. I have asked a common question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose God-forbid, some one rapes your wife, your mother or your sister and you are made the judge. The rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said, "we would put him to death." Some went to the extent of saying, "we would torture him to death", If your wife or your mother is raped you want the rapist to be put to death. But if someone else’s wife or mother is raped, capital punishment is a barbaric law. Why the double standards?


7. U.S.A. has one of the highest rate of Rape

The United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. An F.B.I report in the year 1990 says that 1,02,555 cases of rape were reported. It further says that only 16% of the cases of rapes are reported. Thus, in order to know the actual number of rapes that took place in 1990, the reported figure should be multiplied by 6.25. We get a total of 6,40,968 rape cases that took place in the year 1990. If the total is divided by 365 the number of days in a year, we get an average of 1,756 rape incidents everyday.

Later another report said that an average of 1900 cases of rape are committed in U.S.A every day. According to National Crime Victimization Survey Bureau of Justice Statistics (U. S. Dept. of Justice) in 1996 alone 3,07,000 cases of rape were reported. Only 31% of the actual cases of rape were reported. Thus, 3,07,000 X 3.226 = 9,90,322 rapes took place in 1996. That is, an average of 2,713 cases of rape took place everyday in America in 1996. Every 32 seconds one rape is taking place in America. Maybe American rapists got bolder. The FBI report of 1990 continues and says that out of the rape cases that were reported only 10% of the rapist were arrested, that is only 1.6% of the actual rapes committed. Out of those arrested, 50% were let free before the trial. This would mean that only 0.8% of the rapists faced a trial. In other words if a person commits 125 rapes the chances that he will get a punishment for rape is only once. Many would consider this a good gamble. And the report says that of those people who faced trial 50% received sentences of less than a year’s imprisonment though the American law says rape carries a seven year sentence of imprisonment. For a rapist, the judge is lenient to first time offenders. Imagine a person commits 125 rapes and the chances of being convicted is only once, and 50% of the time the judge will grant leniency and give a sentence of less than a year!

8. Results achieved when Islamic Shariah Implemented

Anonymous said...

Suppose the Islamic shariah is implemented in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic Hijaab, that is the complete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrists. After this if any man commits rape, he gets capital punishment. The question is, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same or will it decrease? Naturally it will decrease. Islamic Shariah gets results.
4. Islam has Practical Solutions for the Problems of Mankind

You mentioned “In Islamic theology, if a kafir is not to be killed then he should suffer the humiliation; that is what Sharia law does” “Enslaving and raping infidel women is an age old cherished practice of Islam and Muslims………” etc …. How many time do we Muslims have to correct u gys that there is no compulsion in Religion and Islam came to give rights to people to give them protection, justice to eradicate evil from society ??? ISLAM MEANS PEACE!
I must say your knowledge of Islam is very poor …. And by looking at your post I feel even your knowledge of other religions is not good as well. By the way can u plz tell your religion? So that I can give u various examples from Christianity and Hinduism etc in their authentic scriptures about how they promote rapes!!!!. And how Islam came and acted as strong force against sexual assault and gave laws which were practically implemented 1400 years ago and u can even Mashallah see its results in Saudi Arabia having lowest rate of rapes. I didn’t want to talk on this issue but m forced by your ignorance and lack of knowledge…. So do tell me ill give u detail answer on your misconceptions Inshallah. And plz do quote reference from authentic scriptures when taking about religion specially Islam coz its not man made religion and its Book Quran is final Testimon is guidance for whole of humanity even for u. Your point of view and your thoughts can not be regarded as authentic.

Islam is the best way of life because its teachings are not doctrinaire rhetoric but practical solutions for the problems of mankind. Islam achieves results both at the individual and collective levels. Islam is the best way of life because it is a practical, universal religion not confined to any ethnic group or nationality.
And Allah knows best!
May Allah give guidance to all!
SALAM (PEACE)

admin said...

REPLY 1:

I guess it must be one person who wrote all these pathetic comments. It is so pathetic that he/she has to use 'anonymous'.

He/she claims I have poor understanding of Islam. My reply is that: It could have been more forth coming if he/she has stated which article in this blog esp. on Islamic theology and Islamic jurisprudence is wrong by pointing out mistakes.

So my challenge to this 'anonymous' is: point out a mistake or a lie in this blog and I will close this blog.

I have no problem to discuss with anyone here in this blog but first they have to declare themselves.

At the same time, the views expressed by this 'anony', esp. on veil, suggest he/she must be a Taliban like follower. At least, he/she is honest.

admin said...

REPLY 2: (to person 'x')

You write:

'Major difference between Islam and most other religions'

'All religions exhort their followers to be righteous and Islam goes beyond that. It guides us towards practical ways of achieving righteousness and eliminating evil from our individual and collective lives.'

Really? Why don't you give one example?

Regarding evil, Islam itself is evil and your Prophet himself is evil.

Regarding stealing and robbery, Islam has no moral right to say anything on this because Prophet himself stole. He raided civilian merchant caravans and pillaged and plundered wealth from them i.e. he was taking something which does not belong to him.But considering that he was stealing from Non Muslims, it is OK and is part of jihad.

On rape:

Prophet raped women who were taken as captives in war. Koran explicitly expands rights of Prophet so that he can satisfy his carnal desires like having sex with his daughter-in-law.

Koran legalizes institution of slavery and gives men the right to have sex with their slave women who were captured in war. (verse 4:24)

I am sure that having sex with captives even if their husbands are alive amounts to raping. This is what Muslims have done in the past. This is how they (Islam) spread and multiplied like virus. (For me a devout Muslim is the worst human.)

These two are simple examples of justice, morality and ethics existing in Islam i.e. Islam has no ethics at all.

So, your claim of Islam prohibiting rape is superficial.

Anonymous said...

Comments can be pathetic for you as they with their truth, common senesce, logic and facts truly outclassed your hostile critics towards Islam. So take it easy ;)
Little knowledge can be dangerous and the way u replied to my comments … shows u didn’t actually read my comments properly otherwise it would have been much easier for u to understand, and rather than challenging me u would have closed this blog . Still I wish that Allah give u Guidance and remove hostility and evil from your heart!
I used the word poor knowledge for u not to tease u or anything like that m not deaf Dum and blind and if there is any thing which is true/ fact in your blog then I have to agree with u at that point. I can’t lie intentionally by rejecting … as Allah says:
"Confound not truth with falsehood, nor knowingly conceal the truth." (Holy Quran 2:42)
I went through an article of your blog, studied and analyzed facts and “I gave my affirmation to what u said that u have poor under standing of Islam” I didn’t say that u said it your self only I agree with u! Want prove? Alhamdulilha I have prove with me… :
“this blog is the result of that little research.”
These are your words on the same blog giving introduction about this blog. This is a fact that it’s an out come of your little knowledge these are your words!!
This reminds me of a beautiful verse of Glorious Quran: Surah Âl 'Imran (3:54)
Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena
“And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners”
SUBHANALLAH!

Anonymous said...

My reply to your false assumption & islamphobia (For me a devout Muslim is the worst human.):
The worst human u can search according to history and you will find a consensus on this was Hitler m mentioning his name coz u might be aware of him? He Was not a Muslim?
So don’t be afraid of Muslims with baseless assumptions.Musim has to be kind andhas faith in Quran and fallowes best part of it. More devoted they are more they’ll understand Quran and fallow best part of it.
Surah 42, Verse 33
And who is better in speech than he who [says: "My Lord is Allâh (believes in His Oneness)," and then stands firm (acts upon His Order), and] invites (men) to Allâh's, and does righteous deeds, and says: "I am one of the Muslims."
On the contrary a hypocrite would not fallow Allah’s command and there are chances that he may not understand message properly and deviate to evil path.
According to Islam, man is not born in 'original sin'. He is God's vicegerent on earth. Every child is born with the fitra, an innate disposition towards virtue, knowledge, and beauty. Islam considers itself to be the 'primordial religion', din al-hanif, it seeks to return man to his original, true nature in which he is in harmony with creation, inspired to do good, and confirming the Oneness of God.
You better start some self analysis and accountability along with accruing true knowledge of Islam, coz it’s strange that u think this way! A Devoted Muslim is not the worst human being a devoted Muslim is a Blessing for whole of humanity. Devoted Muslim means a person who’s devoted to peace and to spread peace. Think about it!
As knowledge (The state or fact of knowing, Learning; erudition: teachers of great knowledge.) is not equivalent to Ignorance ( A willful neglect or refusal to acquire knowledge which one may acquire and it is his duty to have, the want of knowledge in general, or in relation to a particular subject; the state of being uneducated or uninformed.) In fact they are antonyms of one another. So same goes for a devoted Muslim and a Hypocrite.
Glorious Quran (39: 9)
Is one who worships devoutly during the hour of the night prostrating himself or standing (in adoration), who takes heed of the Hereafter, and who places his hope in the Mercy of his Lord - (like one who does not)? Say: "Are those equal, those who know and those who do not know? It is those who are endued with understanding that receive admonition.

Anonymous said...

So do not put your self in loss by transgressing against your self .Acquire the beautiful knowledge of Islam with true understanding and live a beautiful life. Your mind set is against Islam coz u probably went through some wrong things written against Islam after 9 11 and its always not fair to judge after looking at one side of the picture. Why don’t u read and go for facts about 911 . By those high level scientists and investigators who totally rejected this hypothesis of 911. Not taking about Muslims or other people who are unfit for the job and they pass their judgment by doubtful observations but about people whose job is to find facts and are unbiased “those who know facts” we are in 21st centaury and its foolish to be carried by any fake news and media propaganda coz its all part of politics and intelligent people keep themselves aware of facts and live by reality or otherwise its blind fallowing that made many people ashtray and will continue to do so … And obviously that’s not Islam and its wrong Interpretation of Islam so u criticized it . You are against these inhuman acts and Islam is not standing to promote evil either and Knowledge of Allah (Creator and Lord of every thing) is beyond our imaginations and if you are unable to grasp the knowledge then it doesn’t make it wrong, it may be due to the fact that your directions are wrong so ask your creator alone to guide u, as He alone can guide all to straight path.
There is a difference between studding and just reading!
You probably read some unauthentic things or incomplete information according to your way of doing research about Islam. Again not saying this on basis of assumptions and I feel that u don’t want me to give proof this time ; )
I don’t know about Taliban and not interested in them coz Islam says Fallow “Allah and fallow messenger “and both talks about peace.
In fact I feel its you who’s been fallowing them and judging Islam by their so called actions portrayed by media so its clear that you r fallowing Taliban in name of Islam.. very bad! That is why u don’t have clear picture of Islam and I m saying fallow authentic scriptures- right course of Islam rather than some news channels and critics and wrong things written against Islam.

Anonymous said...

Now let’s come to your criticism & conclusion … u reached to after weak understanding and wrong analysis of Islam.
1. If you are so much interested about past then why don’t u do one thing 1st for your knowledge , study history of people right from the beginning from the day 1st man came on earth n if not possible then start from some domestication and civilization of mankind. And when you will reach the time of advent of greatest peace leader “Prophet Peace Be Upon Him” and his teachings you will find what was system at that time how uncivilized people were they were not like what we are now neither they had facilities, technology, social values, moral ethics, knowledge understanding, and system of ruling a place, and Rules for war. Man has been in continues process of development and civilization.
Before and during His struggle so many religions, tribes and clans were prevalent at that time they used to fight with one another for things many were illiterate so it was very hard to teach them things. Do study what were their treaties like, their political and social system, temporary marriages were common and giving way to prostitutions and there was practice of visiting husbands. Chaos reigned in the sexual life of pre Islamic Arabs. Several form of marriages and family life existed among the tribes which created confusion and instability in sexual relations.
Jahiliya period offered opportunity for the licentious and the powerful to indulge with impurity in sexual excesses, and vices. Islam brought about an improvement in sex relations and family life, by instituting patriarchal practices and relations, by embodying some of the better features of the early matriarchy and by putting an end to the earlier chaotic conditions of sexual life and relations. Thus it put an end to the evils and ills of Jahiliya period. This became the basis of greater freedom and social mobility of men. It granted them rights which they did not enjoy before and imposed upon them duties which they formally did not perform.
Islam gave preference to remove slavery it was not possible at once but slowly and gradually due to Islam now there is no slave and slavery was eradicated dust due to Islam in times of caliph’s

Anonymous said...

A. You gave reference of Glorious Quran (4:24) Remember verses have relation and context so read these verses together
Glorious Quran (4:23, 24, 25):
Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-
{Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.}
If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
These are the verses; now show me where it’s written to rape female captives?
In the binging its pointing towards those women who are Mahram and a person cannot marry them. People of Jahiliya period were unaware of these restrictions even they used to marry their step mothers and the widow of person used to be a property of his brother without any marriage etc.
Then according to Jahiliya period it was pre decided what would be the case with captives. According to religious scriptures of jews and christens or we can say bible, its written at various places, master can sleep with the one their right hand possess. So it was a common practice at that time and was not considered as sin or bad thing. and some used to ask these captives to earn money by prostitution and Islam changed their mind and stopped them from such acts:
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: "Musaykah, a slave-girl of some Ansari, came and said: My master forces me to commit fornication. Thereupon the following verse was revealed: "But force not your maids to prostitution (when they desire chastity). (24:33)" (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, Divorce (Kitab Al-Talaq), Book 12, Number 2304)"
The bottom line here is that verses from the corrupt bible further prove that masters are permitted to sleep with their slave women as they please. And if this story was in the Glorious Quran, then we would've seen the missionaries jump up and down attacking Islam for it. Yet, we do not find it in the Glorious Quran, but rather we find it in the Bible!
You can take an example of these days ,its almost like a bitter fact that those who do not fallow Loard and fallow their desires now think gay marriages are ok they are not aware of its consequences and no one can say if given opportunity they can make it compulsory!!! ….. coz they are slaves of their lust and desires and playing with Nature.

Anonymous said...

The verses of Quran (5:23 24 25) u mentioned are speaking against rape, lust, molestation or sexual abuse of female captives a condition that was prevalent at that time during the time of jahiliya period. In our 21st centaury talking so much about human rights look at the way captive are being treated in Gontonamo . And even it’s on board that the way they treat people is open violation of Human rights. No where in the world you will find a law like Islam taking about rights of war captives … what was done to captives at that time by Muslims? They were not put in to prison! Neither tortured! Nor raped! look at superiority and generosity of Allah’s Law, captives were not tortured the owners were asked to treat them kindly and they used to walk and do work even Quran is taking abut their sound and prosperous life by asking the Authorities to give security and respectable place in society to female captives by marring them if they are willing. SUBHANALLAH ! No where you will find such generosity and sense of responsibility.
B. It was Islam and its teachings that Arab is now free of slaves and slavery. Now it’s a fact the system which was deeply rooted before rise of Islam in jahiliya period, and to some extent was also unavoidable due to economical situation and background, Islam not only asked people to be kind towards slaves but also appreciated and provided ways to make society free of slavery .So it’s a fact that it was not a promoter of slavery but proved to be blessings for humanity, and slowly and gradually eradicated roots of cruel slavery the seeds of which were implanted long even before Rise of Islam .

Anonymous said...

Perhaps the best example I can provide regarding Laws developing gradually in the Noble Quran is the ending of the Judeo-Christians' and Pagans' slavery in Arabia. Let us look at the following Noble Verses:
Note: "Right hand possession" are the human-captives of war who lived as slaves among Muslims.
Noble Verse 2:177 "It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness to believe in God and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the God-fearing."
In this Noble Verse, we see that Allah Almighty orders Muslims to spend from their money and wealth and to give with love and respect the kin, orphans, the needy, the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for slaves. Muslims have to help those who need it in their community.
"Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due): If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (Is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running: by way of repentance to God: for God hath all knowledge and all wisdom. (The Noble Quran, 4:92)"
"God will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth God make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful. (The Noble Quran, 5:89)"

Anonymous said...

AHADESS HOW TO TREAT SLAVES:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: "When the slave of anyone amongst you prepares food for him and he serves him after having sat close to (and undergoing the hardship of) heat and smoke, he should make him (the slave) sit along with him and make him eat (along with him), and if the food seems to run short, then he should spare some portion for him (from his own share) - (another narrator) Dawud said:" i. e. a morsel or two". 4097. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Oaths (Kitab Al-Aiman), Book 015, Number 4096)"
Narrated Al-Ma'rur: "At Ar-Rabadha I met Abu Dhar who was wearing a cloak, and his slave, too, was wearing a similar one. I asked about the reason for it. He replied, "I abused a person by calling his mother with bad names." The Prophet said to me, 'O Abu Dhar! Did you abuse him by calling his mother with bad names You still have some characteristics of ignorance. Your slaves are your brothers and Allah has put them under your command. So whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them (slaves) to do things beyond their capacity (power) and if you do so, then help them.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Belief, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 29)"
Narrated Anas: "The Prophet said, 'None of you will have faith till he wishes for his (Muslim) brother [this includes slaves, since a slave is considered a brother as shown above] what he likes for himself.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Belief, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 12)"
The reason why Muslims had slaves is because when Islam was still weak and growing, the Arab Pagans' tribes used to launch continuous attacks on the Muslims to destroy Islam once and for all. Muslims had entered many bloody and vicious battles against the non believers which had cost both sides many lives from the men. When the Muslims used to enter a city after defeating its army, they would face a new dilemma. They often meet hundreds of non believing women and young children and elderly left without any support because their men had died in the battle field.
For this reason, Allah Almighty allowed for the Muslims to take those people as slaves to help them survive. Keep in mind that during that time, the Muslims didn't have an Islamic government and welfare system to take care of the orphans and widows from the non believers. The Muslims had to take care of them from their own means.
Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him ordered the Muslims to be very sensitive to their slaves. He ordered the Muslims to buy the slave young boys and girls the same quality of clothes and gifts that they would buy for their children. He also ordered Muslims not to hit or be violent to adult slaves. He ordered Muslims to be loving and caring for them.
Prophet Muhammad also urged wealthy Muslims to buy slaves from the Pagan Arabs and to let them free after that.
Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet said, "Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)"
The bottom line is that in order for the Muslims to remain as a purified and GOD Almighty-fearing and obeying society, one of the requirements that they had to accomplish was to gradually and completely eliminate slavery - the same slavery that was at its peak during the Jews', Christians' and Pagans' times.
SUBHANALLAH ! look at the way Islam treated War Captives and compare it with war captive policies of these days…

Anonymous said...

C. Your 3rd Point { “Regarding stealing and robbery, Islam has no moral right to say anything on this because Prophet himself stole.”}:
Again totally Wrong and absurd!!! Go and search the rate of robbery and stealing in Saudi Arabia and compare it with other countries you will find again that best system is of Islam. And don’t know from where you are quoting this incomplete inappropriate knowledge about stealing from civilian merchants. Do quote reference here authentic reference then ill Inshallah try to clear you.
And by the way why you are so pathetic! (I m using your dictionary word for this situation when a person tries to be anonymous ;0) … Why are you not disclosing your religion? Is it some sort of fear or what?
Would love to know about your religion!
And Do tell me when are you closing this blog? Coz I have not only pointed out your mistakes but have also tried to clear misconceptions Alhamdulilha By the grace of “my lord and your Lord Allah”.
Now true picture of Islam is here for you on one hand is true Islam and guidance for u that will help you in this world and here after and on the other hand is Ignorance, misconceptions and Hell fir. Choice is yours and remember:
‘Whosoever chooses to follow guidance, follows it for his own good; whosoever goes astray, goes astray to his own loss.’
(al-Isra’ 17: 15)
AND ALLAH KNOWS BEST!
MAY ALLAH GUDE US ALL TO THE RIGHT PATH!

Anonymous said...

Now let’s come to your way of thinking!
U said “It is so pathetic that he/she has to use 'anonymous'.”
Ok ! Now I don’t agree with your point here coz anonymity is not supposed to be pathetic rather it’s some times said it’s a way to acclivity. And if lets for sake of an argument I agree with u that its pathetic, than u are more pathetic in fact your whole blog is pathetic (according to your way of judging things). And u should quit right here…. Coz you are anonymous and same goes for this blog…. Check it out:
{It is not really important to know about me or us, who contribute to this blog. Nevertheless I give reasons for creating and starting this blog, which is more or less an obligation on me/us.}
I gave u so many examples regarding Islamic law how it’s not only condemning rape but also giving practical ways to keep people away from it. And u can see the results the huge difference between the results when Islamic laws are implemented… m not going to explain it again go and do some work and read and study it properly and if not possible ask some gentleman to sit with you, read and explain it to u… it was very simple and every thing and fact was in it still its not getting in your mind then think about this verse:
“Ye People of the Book! why reject ye the Signs of Allah, of which ye are (yourselves) witnesses?”
Now a thought provoking & self assessment question for u:
Why you say to people things u don’t fallow yourself? You know what this makes u? This makes you a Lier and at the same time reveals another deceiving approach of yours towards readers of this blog!
According to some rules defied by this blog one has to be truthful and has to refrain from using abusive or harsh language.
{Remember one does not have to lie here, as we are all quoting from Islamic scriptures written by pious Muslims. Another important thing is that please refrain from using abusive or harsh language.}
You using harsh word “pathetic” for my comments, and your abusive attitude towards Islam, don’t u think in itself is a lie??? Are you a hypocrite?
The Noble Quran says: (the hypocrites are) deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path)
If you are not a hypocrite then do not push your self in to this category and read my comments again, observe facts and stand by truth for peace.
If people, who according to them are doing self studies about Islam etc etc and asks others not to lie and not to hate and not to use abusive language behave the way you did ( by lying , spreading hatred , taking about things and issues that are only fake and fabricated or interpreted to exploit a religion, and not taking about facts and real solution of problems) than m Happy that ALHAMDULILHA M ON RIGHT PATH ATLEAST MY ACTIONS FALLOW WHAT I SAY . M NOT A HIPOCRATE. MY TEACHINGS AND VALUES STOPS ME FROM HATING ANYBODY REGARDLESS OF RELIGION TALKS ME TO KNOWLEDGE WISDOM JUSTICS FOR ALL AND ASKS ME NOT TO FALLOW BLINDLY COZ WE HUMANS ARE GUIFTED WITH A BEAUTIFUL BLESSINGS LIKE BRAIN, SENSES AND HEAT BY ALLAH . AND I THANK ALLAH ALONE !
ALHAMDULILHA I M A MUSLIM!

admin said...

REPLY 1:

To X,

So you come again with more stupidity but I am not surprised.

I told you to point out any lie and you have not done it; yet, you have audacity to tell me to close this blog. Considering that your brain is conditioned by Islam, I am not surprised to see such replies or demands.

Lets come to point of discussion.

Does Islam permit raping of captives i.e. women captured in wars or raids?

Yes, It does.

If one is given right to have sex with a captured woman, it is permission to rape.

This discussion started when you are talking about justice.

I mentioned slavery as an example to prove how cruel Islam is.

I mentioned that verse (4:24) to show that slavery is not only permitted but it gives explicit rights to Muslim men to have sex with female slaves.

This verse clearly tells that Muslim men can keep women as slaves. It tells Muslim men can have sexual relations with them or can even marry them. If this is not clear for you from this verse, lets see another verse from your 'holy Koran'.

23.05-06: Who abstain from sex, Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,

This is telling Muslim men can have sex with wives or slaves. I will give reference to another verse with the same meaning:

70.29-30: And those who guard their chastity, Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed,

This verse is telling that Men do not lose their chastity if they have sex with captive women. So, it is nothing wrong morally or ethically if Muslim men have sex with their female slaves.

In summary, Islam not only allows slavery but it allows raping of women.

This is not clear for you or what?

Having sex with captured women in wars is nothing but rape and this is upheld by Koran and your Prophet.

admin said...

REPLY 2:

To x,

You want more proof for these? Lets read from tafsir of Ibn Kathir on the verse 4:24. He writes ( click here ):

"The Ayah means, you are prohibited from marrying women who are already married, except those whom you acquire through war, for you are allowed such women after making sure they are not pregnant. Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said, "We captured some women from the area of Awtas who were already married, and we disliked having sexual relations with them because they already had husbands. So, we asked the Prophet about this matter, and this Ayah was revealed. Consequently, we had sexual relations with these women."

If they can have sex with captives, irrespective of consent of women, then it is rape.

Your brain can not even see this or what?

admin said...

REPLY 3:

To x,

You want more proof to what your prophet did. Read these hadith from sahih bukhari.

# 1 (Vol 5, Book 59, number 459):

I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa (battle at which Mohammad was present) of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interruptus, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle (Mohammad) who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist.

# 2 (vol. 7, book 62, number 137)
We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle (Mohammad) about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.

Here, 'coitus interruptus' means removing penis from vagine before ejaculation, so that woman does not get pregnant.

What kind of advice your Prophet gave to these men? He did not tell them not to have any sex with those captives; instead, he told them not to practice 'coitus interruptus'.

That is morality of your Prophet.

If you want more on this kind of practices of Prophet, I am very happy to present them. All my sources will be authentic Islamic sources.

In fact, I wrote on this in this blog itself and you can read from here

admin said...

REPLY 4:

To x,

So, who is lying now?

There is more to this.

Your holy Prophet took a jewish girl named Rayhana as a slave after killing (beheading) 900 men of tribe Banu Quraiza.

He again took a girl Safiya as a slave after torturing and killing her husband and then he married her. Of course, Muslims call this a generous act.

If you want to read more on this, you can do from below:

Did Mohammad Rape Safiya?

admin said...

REPLY 5:

To x,

Your claim of Islam banning slavery is preposterous. This is what Muslims usually do:lie, lie and keep lying.

Islamic countries are among the last countries to ban slavery.

Saudi Arabia banned it in 1962. Morocco did it in 1930. Institution of slavery in India went on till 1857 and was banned by British in 1857.

It is reported that institution of slavery still exists in countries like Sudan and Mauritiana.

Many people ignorantly associate slave trade of Africans to United States but what they do not know is it is Muslim Arabs who sold Africans as slaves to Europeans and Americans.

All this is about justice in Islam and Koran being a word of God! blah blah.....

Either you ban slavery or not, that's it. Saying Islam asks for fair treatment of slaves is immaterial because Koran is supposed to be literal word of God and representing finest justice.

Yes, Koran has a verse telling Muslims to treat slaves as humans but we do not find anything in Koran that suggests Islam should ban slavery in the future. So you can stop your shameless lying.

Your boasting that slaves should not be treated as prostitutes is worthless.

Take a woman slave. Suppose her master had sex with her and intended to sell her to another Muslim man. Is there anything in Law to stop this? He has every right to sell her and suppose we assume he does.

The man buying this slave women will have sex with her and has rights to sell her again to another man. And so, it can go on...

Now this becomes much worse than prostitution. In prostitution, a woman earns her money by doing so but here man makes money while slave woman is treated as sexual commodity. Yet again, I give an illustration of how so called Islamic justice works i.e. it does not exist at all in the first place.

admin said...

Final Reply:

To x,

Yes, I am wrong about you because you are much worse than being pathetic. Any one can see your blatant lies.

My religion is immaterial here. Suppose if I say I am a christian, what I write here does not change. Suppose I say that I am a Hindu, what I present here, 100% facts, does not change. You get the point!

Regarding devout Muslim being worst human, yes, I stand by it. The reason is simple: A devout Muslim not only considers your rapist Prophet as ideal man but also tries to follow him. For me, your Prophet is a monster and an impostor. Then, people following him will be monsters only. That is what Osmama Bin Laden and many are.

Your faith in Sharia and boasting of Sharia tells me you are an imperialist or you do not know anything about Sharia.

I explicitly documented about how sharia treats Non Muslims and you can go through those articles if you want to.

I have not completed this blog because I am bit busy these days; in time I shall do so.

Anonymous said...

my name is tayo,
I hate to break the news to you but you're just writing what the whole of Africa have known for a long time. Many believe western civilization will not be destroyed from without but from within - with terms like "islamophobia" and "political correctness" America and the western axis will politically correct themselves to extinction. Islam is a teaching that defies all logic and argument, I have long given up on talking about Islam because those in it cannot see beyond it and those outside it can't seem to realise the unrivalled psychological drive and effect it has, even when its main purpose is to destroy them (the others). such is the amazing design of the religion (i say design because when you analyse most religion, it's obvious they were not written by man, the complex psychological effect and the way the Quran was written hints that Muhammad could not have sat down and fabricated it out of thin air. it's one of the most complex teachings ever known, most Muslims themselves don't understand it.) they use words like merciful and peace in abundance but their actions lack any of that- there is no greater display of oxymorons in one religion than islam (oxymoron definition- a contradiction of terms)
i live in Nigeria, Africa and i have witnessed the amazing effect of this religion first hand. Nigeria is barely struggling to survive because of it, the result is the same wherever they are. the true power of Islam is so deeply psychological that usually only highly educated people or persons trained in psychology or psychiatry can truly begin to understand it. Unfortunately Western societies have long regarded Islam as a weak religion that could not affect them, this erroneous belief most agree is the first step in their predicted undoing. sorry my rant digresses from the topic but its just worth noting.

(p.s – i got this comment from a friend “its not islamophobia if they’re really trying to kill you!”)

k-i-d said...

Hello tayo,

Last time when threat is lingering in the form of Nazism and Communism, both being totalitarian ideologies, people did not care to look in to such and politicians even appeased Hitler because most people in Europe did not want war, which any way could not be avoided as totalitarian ideologies can not be appeased.

Similar is the case with Islamic ideology. People are not realizing the dangers because of many factors, some of which you stated. More over, Islam hides behind cloak of religion.

Regarding the 'amazing design', it is because of, primarily, political correctness.

I read all the reports coming from Nigeria from ROP or jihadwatch.org; yes, even then, people have not realized the genocidal potentiality of Islam. That is the way masses are.

This phase has to come to an end and sooner it comes the better. Otherwise, cost is going to be more.

But yes, the very principles held in high esteem in non-Islamic cultures and hated by Islam are being used by Islamists to further their advance.

What you said regarding West, holds for all countries esp. India. I feel that West has better chance than India in seeing through this threat.

The Mindset said...

I feel that West has better chance than India in seeing through this threat.


I agree with you ; we have idiots who don't stop saying "Muslims are our brothers" "they are peacefull"

and all the bullshit.
I seriously get worried about what will happen of our next generations.
Similar is the case is with Russia ; those people are also bleeding because of Islam.

I hope this cult end soon

The Mindset said...

I think you deleted my last comment.

Anonymous said...

Dear admin,

Good reply to that anony. You are right about the point of forcing prostitution and selling sex slaves are same. I wonder how that guy can not see that. In the same line his reply to your mentioning of sexual slavery by pointing to kind treatment of slaves points and saying it amounts to justice is laughable. I am kind to my dog also. I just want to say your replies are crisp and to the point and you are good, man.

Anonymous said...

Many thanks for your website! I’ve just liked it.

Anonymous said...

I too have been horrified by the recent court case that saw 9 Asian men jailed for rape of vulnerable children. Too brand a whole people as evil because of this is unacceptable, to brand a religious group as evil is unacceptable and dangerous.
There are good and bad people in every corner of the world. There are rapists and child molesters in every corner of the world and of every religious denomination. There are gangs just like this one operation in every corner of the world and from every religion and if you think otherwise God help us.
The tirade I have just read about Islam is more to do with religious intolerance that anything else.

In light of what happened to these young girls, what does that say about our society? Everybody is outraged about what happened to them but nobody gave them a second thought before this - from government and social services to the man and woman in the street. Perhaps we should look at the skeletons in our own cupboards and dispose of them before we start on other peoples cupboards.

All communities should look at their attitudes to women and girls and see them as worthy of dignity and respect. All communities are guilty of not considering this.

When you point the finger at one community there are three pointing back at you.
Another saying that I think is very appropriate is -
There are none so blind as those who cannot see.

Anonymous said...

I just want to point out to anyone who thinks that how a woman or girl is dressed is responsible for rape, is sadly mistaken.
Hijab or any other form of veil does not prevent rape. Tiny babies and old women get raped every day. And anyone who thinks it does not go on in their society is delusional.
As far as rape not happening much in Islamic societies, get real. If you were a woman who was raped in say Saudi would you be inclined to report it? Given the fact that it is seen as a major disgrace on the woman and her family.
The guilt for rape falls on the rapist NOT on the girl or woman IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCES and certainly not on her family. The guilt falls on the rapist and his family, after all they provided the social setting and background where he grew up to be a rapist. He was not encouraged to have respect for himself and others.
Men and women have sexual urges and it is incumbent on them to control these sexual urges.
The attitude that he couldn't help himself because of how she was dressed is pathetic at the very least. Of course he could help himself, he is a human being bestowed with free will and the ability to think. He knows right from wrong, he just chooses to ignore it to satisfy his own pathetic urges.
Rape and all other violence perpetrated towards women and children will only stop when men start to own the problem and accept the fact that they do not have an automatic right to sex with women or to have control over women.
Perhaps if parents when raising sons and daughters did not put their sons on pedestals and give them a false sense of pride by virtue of their gender things would change. Instead teach both sons and daughters first and foremost that in order to have respect for others first you must have respect for yourself. By respect I am not talking about saying please and thank you or being deferential to ones elders, although this is a by product of it.
By respect I mean acknowledging that you are a human being capable of great love and affection and being able to show it. Having the humility to accept your faults and always to have an open and inquiring mind. To have the understanding that others too have rights/feelings and that they have the right to be heard, just like you.
If a man has respect for himself he would never rape. He would not degrade or debase his honor in such a despicable way.

kid said...

Impossible to reply to such comments as I am not sure about whether it is one person or two persons writing above two comments.

But I just want to point about fallacy in the first comment (on 24th may):

This entire thing happened because responsible officials did't do their duty as they feared about being accused as Islamophobes or racist.

Another thing is have we have ever seen any groups of Hindus or Chinese forming as gangs and doing such things in UK or USA calling girls from other religions as slags and immoral?

No.

And how much self introspection one has seen in Muslim community over this?

From the moment this news came out, their efforts were spent in trying to shut down any reasonable analysis by announcing of rising of Islamophobia.

That is the true nature of Muslims.

Anonymous said...

In response to the comment before this one. I wrote the previous two comments. I notice that the person who wrote the previous comment to this one did not actually comment on the content of my comments but focused only on the fact that in this particular case the perpetrators were Muslim. That speaks volumes about the attitude of this person.
Trafficking and grooming of women and young girls is going on everywhere, USA,Europe etc. Do you not read the newspapers? It is not just being done by Muslims but by every culture.

To make a comment. like the one I have just read in the last comment

"That is the true nature of Muslims",

is a disgraceful one.

People need to educate themselves about what is going on in the world and oppose all forms of bigotry.
It is an ugly and destructive thing no matter what quarter it is coming from.

kid said...

""That is the true nature of Muslims",

is a disgraceful one. "

Really?

You have not answered my question if Hindus and Chinese were doing the same thing !

What is disgraceful is Koran sanctioning rape and sexual slavery.

What is disgraceful is how Muslims account for 100% of rapes in Oslo.

What is disgraceful is how Muslims account for 80% of rapes in Sweden.

What is disgraceful is Muslims publicly saying they will take women of Denmark as booty for sex slaves.

What is disgraceful is how Koran says Non-Muslims are not humans but like vermin.

And finally, what can be more disgraceful than Muslims saying theirs is the only true faith and all others should subject themselves to Islamic law !

Anonymous said...

Actually every belief system recons theirs is the only path to follow. I myself am a Catholic and I was brought up to believe that ours was the only way. Thankfully I have a brain and an inquiring mind and started to question what I was being taught. I don't accept anything on face value.

Your are getting your statistics from official police sources right?

Tell me where do you stand on bigotry.

kid said...

Now you became a catholic from Hindu!

And you stay anonymous, you think it is ok to refer to me as bigot.

No problem.

You questioned my statistics, right.

Read from the below link:


Norway and Oslo


Now, where do you stand on stupidity?

Anonymous said...

Where did you get the idea that I was Hindu?

I did check out the site you suggested but for balance I also checked out a site that report on the whole of Norway.
I suggest you look at this one -

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2012/03/26/myths-cloud-attitudes-toward-rape/

Where do I stand on stupidity?

Where I have always stood -
An old saying, not sure if you have ever heard it.
"In life one should always avoid the dull and the ignorant"

I recon that is exactly what I should do.

kid said...

"Stupid" is a very less word for you because you are much worse.

I specifically gave that link because it answers those kind of views that are presented in your link by some leftist or liberal.

The link I gave gives all the statistics.

And I doubt if you ever checked out those.

When the media released these statistics there was huge uproar among the leftists who said that they were released intentionally to blame one community particularly.

From that time they indulged in all kinds of gimmicks that covers up Muslims as rapists.

You are pathetic actually.

kid said...

TATISTICS FROM THE LINK I PUT UP

Party related rape
(date rape) 38.8% 32.7%

Relational rape
(perpetrator and victim know each other) 42.2% 40.0%

Vulnerability rape
(where the victim is incapable of resisting) 60.9% 34.1%

Assault rape 100.0% 0.0%



(FIRST NUMBER REFERS TO MUSLIMS, OH SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE SAID FOREIGNERS, RIGHT; WHILE SECOND NUMBER REFERS TO NORWEGIANS OR EUROPEANS)

LOOK AT THAT LAST ROW: ASSAULT RAPES, 100% MUSLIMS. That is what I talked about.

Interestingly, his link does not speak much on this.

Anonymous said...

I can see, from the tone of your posts, that it is really getting to you that someone else does not hold your views. Everyone is of course entitled to their opinions but in my opinion with one proviso - That their opinion is an informed one based on fact and balanced.
I suggest you get yourself better informed
Look up the stats for the whole of the country for rape. Read up on the attitude to rape in this particular country by both the people and the justice system.
before you make your judgement.

When a person stoops to insults as a means of defending their views they have lost the argument.
This is how you refereed to me in your last post

""Stupid" is a very less word for you because you are much worse."

I am neither stupid or worse. What I am is someone who does not subscribe to the views that you hold and I thank God for that.

violenceagainstwhites said...

Okay, let's look at the statistics from Stavanger, which show assault-rapes are 90% Muslim:
http://www.nettavisen.no/nyheter/article3307664.ece

You keep insisting that we look at rape statistics from "the whole country", but we all know that Muslim immigration is concentrated in Oslo. Looking at rape statistics from Finnmark is going to be completely irrelevant since there aren't any significant Muslim populations in Finnmark.

What we know is where Muslims are concentrated, they are disproportionately represented in rape.

Besides, you haven't given an argument as to why we need to look at the whole country - Muslims committing 100% of assault-rapes in Oslo is damning enough. Why stop at Norway, why not say "We need to look at the whole of Scandinavia" or "the whole of Europe" or "the whole of the world"?

Muslims are disproportionately represented in rape statistics in Sweden and Denmark and the UK too.

violenceagainstwhites said...

Anonymous said... "If you want to judge how good Islam is then judge it according to its authentic sources, i.e. the Glorious Qur’an and the Sahih Hadith.
Judge Islam by its best follower i.e. Prophet Mohammed (pbuh):"

Okay, let's judge Islam according to the Qu'ran, Hadith and Sira:

http://muslimrapewave.wordpress.com/category/muhammed/

Would Muhammad…?


YES!


NO!


Muslim Source (Links)
Have sex with a 9-year-old girl? YES! Hadith
Advocate beheading? YES! Qur’an
Require women to
cover their faces? YES! Qur’an & Hadith
Befriend Christians and Jews? NO! Qur’an
Own slaves? YES! Qur’an & Hadith
Marry his daughter-in-law? YES! Qur’an
Approve of prostitution? YES! Qur’an & Hadith
Gluttonize? YES! Ibn Ishaq
Recommend wife-beating? YES!

Qur’an & Hadith
Hit his own wife? YES! Hadith
Kill prisoners of war? YES! Hadith
Advocate suicide attacks? YES! Qur’an & Hadith
Kill apostates? YES! Qur’an & Hadith
Tell sick persons to heal them-selves by drinking camel urine? YES! Hadith
Beat children who don’t pray? YES! Hadith
Have boys as young as
13-years-old beheaded? YES! Hadith
Have eleven wives?
(at one time) YES! Hadith
Approve of Sex with Minors? YES! Qur’an
Lie? YES! Qur’an & Hadith
Enslave women and children? YES! Hadith & Ibn Ishaq
Stone adulterers to death? YES! Hadith
Torture a man out of greed? YES! Ibn Ishaq
Consider men and women
equal partners? NO! Qur’an & Hadith
Steal? YES! Qur’an & Hadith
Kill someone for insulting him? YES! Qur’an & Hadith
Preach love for people
of all religions? NO!

Qur’an & Hadith
Extort money from
other religions? YES! Qur’an & Hadith
Keep women as sex slaves? YES! Qur’an
Force conversions to Islam? YES! Qur’an & Hadith
Commit acts of terror? YES! Qur’an & Hadith
Kill a woman? YES! Biographers
Capture a woman and rape her? YES! Hadith
Encourage the rape of women
in front of their husbands? YES! Hadith (Abu Dawud: 2150)

kid said...

Is it you or me stooping to insults?

You had no trouble referring to me as bigot or idiot, of course indirectly.

But me referring to you as stupid makes you suddenly realize that I am being 'all one way traffic'.

But that is you.

I gave statistics in support of my claim.

I wrote enough on this blog to show how Koran and Islam support rape of Non-Muslim women.

What else you want me to do?

More over, I do not want to ascribe to the idea that some Muslims are bad and others are moderate.

This claim of many Muslims being moderate is irrelevant for me.

I do not discuss this at all.

Many Muslims being moderate has no affect on suffering of Non-Muslims esp. in Muslim majority nations.

Look at Pakistan: 20 to 25 Hindu girls are abducted per month according to Human Rights Commission Report of Pakistan.

If we add 700 Christian girls to this list, I guess, you move towards understanding Muslims attitude towards Non-Muslims.

Lets come UK itself: When Muslims are being prosecuted in Courts for the crimes they committed, other Muslims were busy protesting outside the courts for arresting their members of their Ummah.

Why? Because they think it is completely with in the rights of Islam that they could abuse Non-Muslims like they want.

Anonymous said...

This is getting tiresome

I suggest you read the report by Amnesty International on rape in the Nordic Countries titled Case Closed

Also have a look at this report in The Local (Swedish News in English)

http://www.thelocal.se/19124/20090428/

Amnesty International have quite a lot to say about the stereotypical attitudes of men in Nordic countries where a predominantly Patriarchal attitude to women exists and the consequences of this type of attitude.

kid said...

What kind of argument is this?

How are attitudes of Nordic men are responsible for those rapes by Muslims?

This is my last reply to you.

You say that it happens in every society but when I asked you to show if Chinese and Hindus in USA or UK are involved in such sex grooming cases, forming as groups and then go around abusing local underaged girls calling them as slags, you could not cite a single report in support of your claim.

It looks like you hardly make any sense at any time.

Good bye

(Of course you can continue to write in comments whatever you like but I am not going to reply)

Anonymous said...

What I am challenging is your attitude that rape is only or predominately committed by Muslim or immigrant men.
You stated that Muslims were responsible for 80% of rapes in Sweden, if you actually read the report by Amnesty International you would see that is clearly not the case.
According to Amnesty International the occurrence of Rape and handling of such cases by the justice systems in Nordic Countries is alarming. It is to do with male attitude across the board and not as you maintain the result of immigration.
I am glad to read that you do not intend to write any more posts, as I said it is getting tiresome.

kid said...

"I am glad to read that you do not intend to write any more posts, as I said it is getting tiresome."

I will be writing on my blog.

It looks like you can not even understand simple sentences.

You are so blind to reason and logic and sense.

You can not even understand that this sudden significant rise in rape crimes in Sweden is entirely due to immigration by looking at data.

Once again, the rapes committed by Muslim men are massively disproportional to actual population of Muslims in Sweden and this means nothing to you.

You challenging my attitude? I do not challenge anyone's attitude and I just state facts with data.

If you bring up some stupid reasoning by some leftist as your argument, I feel pity for you.

You never replied to the questions I asked, yet you have audacity to pass judgments. Typical mentality.


Sweden

kid said...

http://fjordman.blogspot.in/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html

kid said...

http://fjordman.blogspot.in/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html

"According to a new study from the Crime Prevention Council, Brå, it is four times more likely that a known rapist is born abroad, compared to persons born in Sweden. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects. According to these statistics, almost half of all perpetrators are immigrants. In Norway and Denmark, we know that non-Western immigrants, which frequently means Muslims, are grossly overrepresented on rape statistics. In Oslo, Norway, immigrants were involved in two out of three rape charges in 2001. The numbers in Denmark were the same, and even higher in the city of Copenhagen with three out of four rape charges. Sweden has a larger immigrant, including Muslim, population than any other country in northern Europe. The numbers there are likely to be at least as bad as with its Scandinavian neighbors. The actual number is thus probably even higher than what the authorities are reporting now, as it doesn't include second generation immigrants. Lawyer Ann Christine Hjelm, who has investigated violent crimes in Svea high court, found that 85 per cent of the convicted rapists were born on foreign soil or by foreign parents."

kid said...

Look at the below video and see how those so called peaceful Muslims in UK while protesting before Danish embassy are saying they will take Danish women as war booty ( i.e sex slaves).

http://youtu.be/mS54XfLsHl8

Anonymous said...

http://fjordman.blogspot.in/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html

According to a new study from the Crime Prevention Council, Brå, it is four times more likely that a known rapist is born abroad, compared to persons born in Sweden.

In reference to the website you gave and the comment above. I just wanted to find out where on the Crime Prevention council, Bra, report did they find this particular piece of information as I have just finished reading the actual report and could find no such comment.
Perhaps you could give us all the exact website reference to the actual report by the Crime Prevention Council, Bra, that states this and not a newspaper website. I, for one, am very dubious about what I read in newspaper articles as they can be biased.